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Post by seminolewind on Feb 26, 2019 16:17:04 GMT -5
I have been doing everything I can to help this growth on her head go away. But it's oozing and smells and covers one eye. I think she may go to chicken heaven in the next few days. i'll get a pic. It's rock hard and feels like if I break it off, it will take half her head with it.
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Post by dawg53 on Feb 26, 2019 19:11:07 GMT -5
If it smells and is oozing, it's an infection of some sort. Doxycycline might help if it's not too late.
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 27, 2019 13:36:15 GMT -5
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Post by dawg53 on Feb 27, 2019 13:50:35 GMT -5
How in the world did it happen? That is infection. Warm soaks with a wash cloth might loosen it up, it'll have to be ongoing soaking though. I'd get her started on doxycyline or amoxicillin, or cull.
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Post by maryellen on Feb 27, 2019 15:43:05 GMT -5
Woah that is huge !!
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 27, 2019 17:10:36 GMT -5
It's hard as a rock and not moveable. However it was over her eye yesterday and it looks like she knocked that piece off. A few months ago I had removed all the "scabs" in that area and they grew back over a larger area. But yes, I have it smothered with abx ointment right now. I wonder if I should try Epsom salt gel?
Dawg it appeared to be a fowl pock gone crazy. And if I broke a piece off, it would grow several back. Maybe I should send it to a lab when she dies.
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Post by maryellen on Feb 27, 2019 18:19:45 GMT -5
Id be sending some pieces to a lab now. T
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 27, 2019 19:36:01 GMT -5
From all the reading I've done, it appears that avian pox can grow out of control , even covering the eyes and nostrils. It can get infected, common would be E.coli and staph together.
I had another silkie about 5 years ago that had huge pox. The vet said it was avian pox and keep him comfortable. They looked different because it wasn't just one huge one. It didn't go away and eventually he looked sick and I euthanized him.
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Post by dawg53 on Feb 27, 2019 21:00:23 GMT -5
Do you think fowl pox "super infection" would be due to compromised immune system because of marek's? If so, that would explain alot IMO.
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 28, 2019 16:49:06 GMT -5
That could be a possibility, no doubt. Marek's , even if vaccinated , appears to lower their immune system in their lives. They easily catch anything. It's important to watch for coccidiosis commonly because it can hit them at any age. Not just juveniles. Called immunosuppression secondary to Marek's virus. The vaccination just protects a bird from getting symptoms. But not from anything else.
Marek's virus uses the "factories" that are supposed to manufacture t-cells and b-cells (as I remember) that fight bacteria and viruses. So a body has much less in their blood to fight off infection. I think these cells are made in the bone marrow but don't quote me.
I had a Polish roo that got bumblefoot and pox. He was limping terribly and every time I removed one another one formed. Meanwhile he's covered with pox even on his eye. So he was so sick and hurting I had the vet euthanize him. I've had 3 birds die overnight from enteritis. They just hemorrhaged overnight. I've had a one-eye eye infection that killed 2 chickens and 1 had damage to her eye but lived.
So I had a silkie roo about 4 years ago have pox that grew out of control all over his face. He eventually lost weight and I euthanized him. Now this one had a pock since last October that slowly got bigger and bigger and I kept waiting for ite to fall off. I pulled it off once and she grew it back. Now Dawg noted it appears to be infected. I feel that if it's a pock, her body should have fought it off like a normal chicken would.
Dawg, I couldn't find Doxicyclin but did find Duramycin that kills the stuff it could be. Then she also gets iodine, then 3x antibiotic on top
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Post by dawg53 on Feb 28, 2019 19:05:00 GMT -5
What a terrible disease marek's is. You've lost quite a few birds Karen, it's sad. How many do you have left?
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 28, 2019 22:57:40 GMT -5
I've got 20. Things did calm down over the years. It's an evil disease and chickens don't deserve it.
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Post by seminolewind on Mar 4, 2019 11:24:22 GMT -5
The yellow part has gotten bigger. I wonder if I should puncture it.
Serious problem. Silkies have so much fluff I can't find a site for an injection. These are sub-q so I ended up injection the 0.2 ml above her vent! Does anyone have an idea to find skin? I've tried wet gauze to wet the fluff down to find a spot but it is not working. Ideas?
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Post by dawg53 on Mar 4, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -5
I have no experience with silkies. I've had injections done in a standard size rooster's thigh and breast muscle, that's it.
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Post by duckrunner on Mar 4, 2019 13:33:58 GMT -5
Sem, i wonder if you should cut the fur in one spot
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Post by duckrunner on Mar 4, 2019 13:35:19 GMT -5
It makes it a lot easier to see where you should be injecting, I've done it before (not with a silkie but a very fluffy chicken) just make sure to cut the down and not the feathers
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Post by seminolewind on Mar 5, 2019 11:21:10 GMT -5
Thanks. I found my trimmer and trimmed a small patch of fluff and finally found skin.
I saw a picture of this turkey that was covered with large pox and they cured it with betadine and Penicillin. So I'll continue for a few days. Maybe do an Epsom salt soak with some gauze . Since it's sub-q, I may do a patch on her neck and pinch it up like chick injections.
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Post by duckrunner on Mar 5, 2019 16:21:19 GMT -5
wow someone took my advice for once!!! i remember in BYC everyone ignored me because they thought I was talking rubbish because i was under 13 haha i hope the poor fluff ball gets better Thanks. I found my trimmer and trimmed a small patch of fluff and finally found skin. I saw a picture of this turkey that was covered with large pox and they cured it with betadine and Penicillin. So I'll continue for a few days. Maybe do an Epsom salt soak with some gauze . Since it's sub-q, I may do a patch on her neck and pinch it up like chick injections. |
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Post by seminolewind on Mar 6, 2019 11:06:28 GMT -5
I gave her an injection yesterday, then decided I will euthanize her today. That mass is bigger than her head. A week of antibiotics made no difference. It appears that it is also growing on the other side of her head as well. I'm tired of torturing her. And it smells bad.
Since the ground is frozen solid, I will have to bury her in the manure pile. How sad!
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Post by duckrunner on Mar 6, 2019 14:42:25 GMT -5
omg that's so sad  I'm so sorry for your loss I gave her an injection yesterday, then decided I will euthanize her today. That mass is bigger than her head. A week of antibiotics made no difference. It appears that it is also growing on the other side of her head as well. I'm tired of torturing her. And it smells bad. Since the ground is frozen solid, I will have to bury her in the manure pile. How sad! |
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I'm so sorry for your loss