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Post by seminolewind on Jul 30, 2018 4:30:04 GMT -5
4 of my polish have multiple bumbles. I swear it's the wet g round. 2 need one lanced. Poor things.
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Post by chickenqueen on Jul 30, 2018 5:24:07 GMT -5
Sounds like something is going on.Are they all in the same pen?
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Post by dawg53 on Jul 30, 2018 5:27:53 GMT -5
One of my Barred Rock hens looks to have a bumble forming on her footpad. It's not ready for minor surgery just yet and I'm keeping an eye on it. Also thin pieces of skin are peeling off on her face, wattles and neck. I think it may have happened when I applied NuStock to those areas for what I thought was the start of favus. If it was favus, it's gone now. When I first saw the skin peeling, I thought it couldve been mites. I inspected her and the others closely and didnt see any, but I went on ahead and treated them with ivermectin pour on in case it was scabies or feather mites.
Like you Karen, I suspect it's the wet ground. Every roost and perch has been sanded down to prevent burrs or splinters to cause bumblefoot and there's nothing else in the pen to cause bumblefoot.
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Post by boskelli1571 on Jul 30, 2018 5:45:30 GMT -5
Mine too! I have a couple of hens with bumbles...have to do surgery on one poor girl she has both feet affected. Thank God they heal so quickly.  |
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Post by dawg53 on Jul 30, 2018 6:06:21 GMT -5
Sometimes bumblefoot goes away on its own, that's what I'm hoping for in my case. Time will tell. The same hen has been acting "off" lately, it's not worms.
I've seen a few feathers in the pen and I suspect one of them is starting an early molt. If it's the hen in question, it would explain everything that's going on with her. I started her on SMZ-TMP four days ago in case it was cocci, then she started excreting mostly white urates. It seems she improved but I went on ahead and stopped the SMZ-TMP yesterday. Her poop looks to have improved this morning... half normal, half white urates. She is acting more normal and preening herself as I type this.
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Post by seminolewind on Jul 30, 2018 9:49:55 GMT -5
It's always interesting how we "read" the chickens. They are in the same pen with silkies. I can wait on 2. But 2 look like they need to be lanced. I may also put them all on abx for staph and see if that helps some go away.
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Post by dawg53 on Jul 30, 2018 14:01:13 GMT -5
Karen, what antibiotics do you use for staph infection? I've always had penicillin on hand just in case. Fortunately I've never had to use any and end up tossing the expired container in the garbage. I've used Tricide Neo before and it works on small to medium size bumblefoot scabs. However with larger scabs, it takes much longer to heal. No surgery required. I remember Tricide Neo being expensive and only bought it one time.
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Post by seminolewind on Jul 30, 2018 20:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by Sylie on Jul 30, 2018 23:28:23 GMT -5
I am grateful that I've never had a bumblefoot issue. I read, early on in my chicken keeping that the impact of jumping off of things too high can cause them so I took out the roosts and gave them a "shelf" that is only about a foot or two off the floor (maybe 3, i'm not good at sight judging), it's technically the "roof" to their nesting area. I make sure that all wood surfaces are sanded regularly (speaking of...it's time to do the ramp cleats again) but *knock on wood* I've never had and hope to never have a bumblefoot in my flock.
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Post by chickenqueen on Jul 31, 2018 14:19:57 GMT -5
I have a leg/foot feathered rooster with swollen bloody legs due to new feather growth.His daddy did the same thing every summer.I treat for scaly leg mites,just in case,but I really think it's bad genes.It's always something,ain't it?
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Post by seminolewind on Jul 31, 2018 14:38:29 GMT -5
I thought I knew what caused Bumblefoot. But seems to me that the rain rain rain has made their feet really soft. Other than that I guess it's a splinter or something. But some seem to get it and some don't.
I had a rooster once who became very immunesuppressed. He got black pox and had them really bad and was sick. Then he got over that and had I bumble. Then 2 , then multiple. He could barely walk. I had to put him down. He was in pain and I couldn't keep cutting his feet up.
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Post by dawg53 on Jul 31, 2018 18:45:41 GMT -5
THAT'S the answer Karen! The wet soil is softening their footpads making them susceptible to getting tiny splinters etc...
My BR hen is doing much much better after 3 days of dosing her with SMZ-TMP. Her poop is back to normal too. I forgot to check her wannabe bumble on her foot. I'll look at it first thing in the morning.
I had pine trees in my back yard in Georgia. I had quite a few birds get bumblefoot over the years. I suspected it was from stepping on pine cones, not sure. I lowered and re-sanded roosts which helped, but 2 or 3 would still get bumblefoot. I had only one instance where I had to do a double surgery on one hens foot where I didnt get all the infection out and never had to put one down thankfully.
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Post by dawg53 on Jul 31, 2018 18:54:18 GMT -5
I have a leg/foot feathered rooster with swollen bloody legs due to new feather growth.His daddy did the same thing every summer.I treat for scaly leg mites,just in case,but I really think it's bad genes.It's always something,ain't it? For me, it's difficult to tell whether feather legged/foot birds have scaly leg mites or not with feather growth. They get dirt in their feathers and on their scales, really tough to tell. After having Salmon Faverolles and Light Brahmas, I vowed never to own a feather footed bird again...I blew it and couldnt resist getting another Light Brahma and glad I did.  |
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Post by seminolewind on Aug 1, 2018 0:17:46 GMT -5
With feathered legs I just Vaseline them from bottom to top. If there's mites, I sprinkle a bit of sevin or poultry powder on them. They are hard to check.
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Post by dawg53 on Aug 1, 2018 7:13:18 GMT -5
Good news! I checked for bumblefoot on my BR hen this morning and it had completely disappeared. HOWEVER...I had her laying on my lap inspecting her head and removing pieces of dried flaking skin from her comb and wattles when a flake fell into her right eye #@%&(@*&^$*#%!!!! Needless to say she blinked her eye and it disappeared under her nictitating membrane and I could see the flake through the membrane. I was smoking mad at myself and shouldve known better. I put her in the hospital cage while I gathered what I needed to remove the flake. I then took her out of the cage and tied her feet together and wrapped her in a towel. I flushed her eye with saline solution but the flake was caught under the membrane. I used a syringe with a fine pointed tip that curved and fit up under the membrane and firmly pushed down on the plunger and the flake blew out of eye...thank goodness! I applied a dab of neosporin in the eye and placed her back in the pen. She is doing fine and back to normal. Lesson learned the hard way grrrrr. It wont happen again.  |
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Post by Sylie on Aug 1, 2018 21:39:29 GMT -5
I am so glad that you got the flake out! I'm sure she is more comfortable now. Good work!
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Post by dawg53 on Aug 2, 2018 4:03:42 GMT -5
Thanks Sylie. I once had a Black Star that got pecked really hard above her left eye and it swelled up the size of a marble. It was like water on the knee.
I tied her feet and wrapped her in a towel. Then used a syringe with a needle and put the needle up under the nicitating membrane and punctured the swollen marble size boil. Immediately water came gushing out and the swelling above her eye disappeared. There was very little blood. I put a little neosporin in the eye and caged her for a day for observation, then returned her to the flock without any problems.
It's scary messing around with their eyes, no slip-ups allowed.
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Post by seminolewind on Aug 2, 2018 11:03:48 GMT -5
Oh ick!
I haven't checked on the bumbles, been too busy with appts. The one I did look at swelled into a balloon on top and then deflated itself. I wonder if bumbles are chicken nature's way of solving the problem? (Most of the time). I mean wrapping staph into a tidy neat yellow disgusting kernel.
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Post by seminolewind on Aug 9, 2018 2:34:50 GMT -5
OMG!! I confronted the mother of all bumbles tonight. The scab COVERED the whole underside of the foot pad! Cutting was horrible. Poor thang. It's so hard when they trust you. I used Farnham Wonder Dust after because it stops the bleeding and works on infection. She has another foot that can wait, and one more Polish that has swelling on the top but almost no scab underneath. For me, one at a time.
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Post by boskelli1571 on Aug 9, 2018 6:20:32 GMT -5
OMG!! I confronted the mother of all bumbles tonight. The scab COVERED the whole underside of the foot pad! Cutting was horrible. Poor thang. It's so hard when they trust you. I used Farnham Wonder Dust after because it stops the bleeding and works on infection. She has another foot that can wait, and one more Polish that has swelling on the top but almost no scab underneath. For me, one at a time. Y'know, it has to be the weather - I have 3 hens with bumbles. My poor Polish is going to have to have hers cut out, it's painful for her to walk |
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