Henrietta is dead

[Sylie]

Dawg, next time someone asks what antibiotic to use just tell them the name of your favorite dewormer hahahaha

[dawg53]

Good answer Sylie. Then sometimes they want to argue, but they eventually learn the hard way like I did.

[maryellen]

Dawg i saw a worm in poop on the roost board before she died too, so i treated everyone. Then i treated everyone after she died again

[dawg53]

Jul 24, 2018 6:07:17 GMT -5 maryellen said:

Dawg i saw a worm in poop on the roost board before she died too, so i treated everyone. Then i treated everyone after she died again

I'm sorry ME. It just sounds like she was overwhelmed with worms according to the report. There isnt anything you couldve done...darned if you do and darned if you dont.
However, you might consider worming more frequently like I do, whether you see worms or not. When you see worms in feces, there are only two possibilities; that the bird is overwhelmed with so many worms in the digestive tract, that there is no other place to go except out the rear end. 
The other possibility is that several may have died. They release their mouth parts from the intestinal lining and are excreted.
BTW, worms cannot survive outside the host. When excreted, they are either dying or already dead. If chickens see them, they will eat them. They wont hurt the chicken, extra protein...yummy!

[maryellen]

Ewwwwwww.

Im going to deworm more. They are loose in my yard every day, so i definitely need to worm more

[chickenqueen]

Wow,at least it is something common and treatable.

[seminolewind]

Actually, ME, the ones that don't free range are at risk too because of the smaller ground. It's all a no win situation-seems like. The only good way is to worm more. Or be more effective by worming twice 7-10 days apart to get those f'ing capillaria.

Not only that, as I've learned, worm damage lets in common bugs like E.coli and cocci to just take over and kill a chicken. I have done vits and elytes after worming (poultry, in the water). But have never used probiotics. I could be way off here but probiotics has always made me feel that I am resupplying the bacteria I worked so hard to kill.

[maryellen]

Ugh. So locked up can be just as bad.
This week everyone is locked up due to the storms its been raining since saturday and only lets up for a bit before it rains again(torrential downpours)

[dawg53]

Yeah Karen's right, she learned also. Wet weather makes it worse, worm soup I call it. IMO, capillary worms are the deadliest. They are tiny and cant be seen. Because they are so tiny, they infect chickens by the thousands. They infect the small intestine, digestive tract. Another type of capillary worm is long and thread like, it infects the crop and esophagus. They are killers. Safeguard liquid goat wormer given orally 5 days in a row to each chicken takes care of capillary worms specifically, and other worms as well, except tapeworms.

My birds are penned 98% of the time here in Jacksonville, and they have a greater chance of getting worms being on the same ground all the time. Even when I lived in Georgia and my birds free ranged daily on almost an acre of land, I still wormed them monthly as I do now. I havnt had a worm problem in a very very long time.

[maryellen]

Ill definitely worm more. Now im scared they all have worms. Everyone will be wormed starting tomorrow night as i gotta go get safeguard as im.out

[Sylie]

It wouldn't hurt for you to put 1/4 tsp of chili powder per bird on their food, it's a great natural dewormer. Throw in some sage, rose buds, marigold petals, calendula, alfalfa and you have a natural, nutritious, anti-inflammatory deworming mix for them. Works for ducks/geese/guinea etc too. Just mix it in with their feed. (1 tsp of everything but the chili powder, that only needs 1/4 tsp and this is all per bird) My chickens don't care for marigold but I dry it and crumble it up then put it in their feed, they don't even know it's there lol! (sneaky chicken momma!) If you are more comfortable with the pharma dewormer, that's alright you can still add the herbs even while giving them the pharma. The herbs can be given all day everyday regardless of the pharma dewormer. Use all that I suggested or pick and choose but the chili powder and sage are the 2 best for worms so make sure to include those. If you grow sage it will come back year after year and you'll have more than you can use, each year it comes back with more than the year before. In 2 yrs you probably will be cussing me for all the sage that you'll have. It's hearty, prolific and good for more things than I can list here both in your birds and for you!

[seminolewind]

ME, Safeguard is great but with 25 chickens X several nights in a row would be tortuous for me. That's why I use the Valbazen. I also find Levamisole sometimes and it can go in the water. Last time I did one day Levamisole and days later I did Valbazen.

[maryellen]

I do have valbazen, and lots of sage too. Ill get more stuff to deworm. Karen where do you find the other stuff? Ive never heard of it.
Sylue i just add all the herbs and stuff to the food container?

[maryellen]

Sylie do i have to dry the sage?

[dawg53]

ME, stick with the valbazen. Hands down it's the best wormer on the market. Having one or two more wormers is good, mainly used for rotational purposes.
Alot of wormers are made from natural organics, like alot of human meds.

[seminolewind]

I will have to look it up. I should keep links to these things.

[Sylie]

ME, you can let the chickens eat fresh sage all they want, as much as they want but because of it's moisture content, if you are going to mix it into their feed, you should dry it first. Yes, just add all the dried herbs to their food container/bowl. If you feed free choice then just add more of the mix whenever the mix is gone.

Dawg, "made from" is a tricky term when you are talking about the difference between pharma and natural. For example, aspirin contains salicylic acid which was derived from plants (specifically willow bark) back in our great grandparents day but, the salicylic acid used to make aspirin now is chemically derived/manufactured. It is no longer natural. Same with 99% of actual medication. Yes, originally, waaaaay back when, medications were made from plants but that was a long time ago before the FDA took control and discovered they cannot make money on plants. Almost no actual medication is natural. If you get it from your doctor, it is not natural/plant derived. Doctors are not allowed to prescribe herbal or natural medications because the FDA cannot approve it. If it is FDA approved, it is not natural. There are a few doctors that will tell you to try a "supplement" (for example, some iron pills are considered supplements that you buy OTC). You can find natural/herbal supplements but they are not medications. Yes, I'm splitting hairs but it's important not to make people that don't know any better think they are using a natural treatment because it is made from plants...medications are not made from plants.

[dawg53]

Sylie: How about "derived from" and "synthesized?" My mom told me I could be a caveman, my wife has told me the same thing. I miss the Geico Caveman commercials. "It's so easy a Caveman could do it!" Here's my favorite:

[maryellen]

Thanks Dawg. Ill go the valbazen route and add the chili powder and sage Sylie too

[Sylie]

Dawg, I don't understand your question, "derived from" and "synthesized" are different things. They are opposite words.

I call my husband a caveman all the time hahaha, maybe it's guy thing?