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Post by maryellen on Sept 11, 2018 18:34:08 GMT -5
I wonder why waiting till after 2nd molt makes the disease go away?
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Post by seminolewind on Sept 11, 2018 19:34:31 GMT -5
There are so many ways to not know you have something like Marek's or LL. I think I'd know if I had mg (?) because there's no way to prevent it (?)
I know that LL is pretty lame as a disease. So just make sure your resources are good ones and not like "chickenma's blog spot". (Made that up). And pay attention to dates publicized because there's a lot of old info on the net.
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Post by maryellen on Sept 11, 2018 20:02:36 GMT -5
The only way to prevent mg is to only buy from hatcheries. Never buy at shows or from small breeders.
The hatcheries are the only ones with disease free birds basically
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Post by boskelli1571 on Sept 12, 2018 6:25:26 GMT -5
The only way to prevent mg is to only buy from hatcheries. Never buy at shows or from small breeders. The hatcheries are the only ones with disease free birds basically Then you get inferior birds. This is why I question the validity of the NPIP scheme - how can you 'improve' poultry if you don't test for LL, Mareks & mg? These seem to be the 3 big problems currently. Of course, if you test positive you can no longer sell birds across state lines (theoretically) which hurts the bottom line - $$. I really think the whole NPIP thing needs rethought andthe health of the birds should be paramount.
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Post by maryellen on Sept 12, 2018 13:15:20 GMT -5
Here in nj you have to ask for extra testing and the state charges. Npip in nj o ly covers pollurum and avian influenza for free.
When i had the mg tests it was $48 per bird to test.
Yeah hatchery birds die faster and are inferior
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Post by maryellen on Sept 12, 2018 13:15:58 GMT -5
And if you test positive you lose your npip status in nj
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Post by chickenlady on Sept 12, 2018 16:13:18 GMT -5
I have been wondering the same since since pullorum and AV have been under control for the most part but yet LL, Mg and Mareks seem to be the real problem. There should be stricter testing done for those things especially with breeders. For instance a breeder in our area vaccinates all her birds but she alllows roosters to come back and get exchanged for a hen. Which to me totally defeats the purpose of having a disease free environment.
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Post by boskelli1571 on Sept 12, 2018 17:50:00 GMT -5
I have been wondering the same since since pullorum and AV have been under control for the most part but yet LL, Mg and Mareks seem to be the real problem. There should be stricter testing done for those things especially with breeders. For instance a breeder in our area vaccinates all her birds but she alllows roosters to come back and get exchanged for a hen. Which to me totally defeats the purpose of having a disease free environment. Absolutely! I understand the push to protect the public from things like AI, but seems like they don't really care about the welfare of the birds - IMHO. I think it was one of those Gov't GITLIP programs ( good in theory, lousy in practice)  |
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Post by seminolewind on Sept 13, 2018 20:58:31 GMT -5
I think that breeders should be liable for more than npip if they're good. let breeders prove that their birds are negative for diseases of vertical infection and marek's. we need to push breeders to clean up. if hatcheries can do it, what's stopping breeders
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Post by maryellen on Sept 14, 2018 7:08:08 GMT -5
I agree 1000000% with this karen.
Breeders should be tested for all that. Since the hatcheries do so should private breeders. Especially since the hatcheries are getting their birds from private breeders...
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Post by seminolewind on Sept 14, 2018 11:52:43 GMT -5
I wonder how much they can tell with blood. Like can they take a chick's blood and test for these things? OR, test the mother and see if she's passing things on. Or contact a hatchery and see how they do it (probably uses culled birds for testing)
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Post by maryellen on Sept 14, 2018 20:29:35 GMT -5
Blood tests and saliva tests can test for mg and mareks. I had blood and saliva tests done
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Post by boskelli1571 on Sept 15, 2018 13:13:18 GMT -5
Blood tests and saliva tests can test for mg and mareks. I had blood and saliva tests done How much did it cost you per bird if you don't mind me asking? |
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Post by maryellen on Sept 15, 2018 14:41:44 GMT -5
Sue the state only charged $80 total for the mg and mareks test. Which was a steal as the state lady told me it was going to be super expensive ($300 or more).
She said she would do what she could as she felt bad for me as she knew how much i loved my birds
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Post by maryellen on Sept 15, 2018 15:18:46 GMT -5
I had 8 birds tested plus one necropsy
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Post by seminolewind on Sept 15, 2018 19:44:06 GMT -5
Is there any rule about using a lab in your own state?
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Post by maryellen on Sept 16, 2018 5:55:53 GMT -5
I can use any lab i want i just gotta pay for it
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Post by boskelli1571 on Sept 16, 2018 12:57:12 GMT -5
Sue the state only charged $80 total for the mg and mareks test. Which was a steal as the state lady told me it was going to be super expensive ($300 or more). She said she would do what she could as she felt bad for me as she knew how much i loved my birds Wow!! Too rich for my blood at the moment....but that's ok, I won't be breeding until next year. My plan is to get the parent birds tested before breeding. If they are carriers, they don't get to breed.
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Post by maryellen on Sept 16, 2018 14:16:43 GMT -5
Thats nj. Im not sure what ny charges or a vets office.
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Post by seminolewind on Sept 17, 2018 22:37:36 GMT -5
I would look into Cornell. They may have some kind of poultry studies.
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